Curt Doolittle asks,
“Am I out of the loop or has?
(a) Jordan Peterson petered out?
(b) the intellectual dark web gone dark?
(c) everyone given up on the pretense that they can make wisdom statements at the current rate of change of the Overton window?
Could just be I’m workin’ too hard but the magic is gone?”
My response (John Mark):
Peterson & Co. are a reaction to the Left that ultimately puts its hope in persuasion and dialogue, which simply doesn’t go far enough. People are realizing that the Left doesn’t listen to anyone including Peterson & Co. Thus the idealism (classical liberalism – “Hey everybody, let’s not play identity politics!”) of Peterson & Co. is powerless as a solution.
Many have graduated from Peterson & Co. to the Winning Right, and as we have had many tell us, to Propertarianism.
The Peterson & Co. solution might work if America was still 90% white. Because their audience is primarily white men. But if America was still 90% white, we wouldn’t be having the problems we’re having with the crazy Left in the first place, because no one would take them seriously. White people have voted majority right wing in every election for decades. Immigration (nonwhites vote 70% Left) is what’s powering the crazy Left – giving electoral power to the minority of crazy white leftists (the priests of political correctness) and their nonwhite “victim” groups.
Now, it’s a bit hard for me to tell if I’m just speaking from my own perspective or if this is backed up by data – I’d love to see hard data on YouTube views, social media engagement, and internet searches for Peterson & Co. over the past couple of years. If it’s dropping in recent weeks and months, that would mean people are moving on. I don’t have that data so I can’t judge. But that doesn’t change the lesson:
Graduate to sovereignty. (Team defense against parasitism. Necessary because huge numbers of people, including the minority of white leftists and the majority – 70% – of nonwhites in America who vote Left, cannot be convinced by discourse and reasoning.)
Also, a related dynamic, I had a very red-pilled radio host tell me the other day that he used to feel like he was shouting at a wall, people were too comfortable, didn’t want to listen. But he says it’s not like that anymore, the craziness of the Left is driving people to be very open to what he has to say.
Update – An admin of one of (if not the) largest Peterson groups on Facebook messaged me telling me that they have seen a big shift to the Right in the discourse over the past 6 to 8 weeks. A quote from this admin: “It’s all weirdly predictable but it’s wild to watch the speed it’s changing at right now, you think something might come 3-5 years down the line and all of a sudden I’m seeing it 3-5 months later, sometimes 3-5 weeks.”
More from other commenters on the original Facebook post:
Alain Dwight: “Peterson & Co. spread half truths, often using abrahamic allegory. Even if reason alone may have been enough to convince European nations in the past, it wouldn’t have been enough to maintain the commons.
We’ve already seen what incomplete, non explicit strategies get us.
There’s just no getting around an operational understanding of co-operation, including ethnocentrism.
Peterson was the one who gave me that western civ and building on my culture was the answer (previously I hated my culture for how corrupt it had become).
Curt was the one who provided a model for how to do that, whereas Peterson was unwilling to really build out the west and expand our culture.
Peterson talks a big game but doesn’t hold fast to the principles he claims (since they contradict each other, anyways).”
Stephen Thomas: The time for the “talkers” ends. We are reaching an age of “doers”.
Howard Van Der Klauw: Wisdom statements can’t hide the revealed truth of the Wizard of Id.
“The peasants are revolting”.
Luis Rodriguez: What to do after your room is tidy, you have a job and become a “productive member” of a society that uses your money to subsidize the reproduction of parasites stupider than you?
MJ Street: Preaching of individualism eventually falls on many deaf ears when they realize the change needed requires a group effort. He served a purpose, empowering men at the individual level (sans Noah J. Revoy ability to do so) only for them to realize the greater world around them requires a pack to change for the better.